Curse

Numa Pompilius · Jun 30, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24

Right now there are dozens of people who scam newbies out of their dyes by going to pre-searing and offering to buy black & other dyes at about 1/10th of what they're worth post searing. You can't go anywhere pre-searing without hearing people wanting to buy dyes cheaply.
The newbies have no way of knowing that the dyes are actually worth anything, as the merchants in pre-searing will pay _1 gold_ for a bottle of dye.

The solution is to put a dye-trader in pre-searing.

That way the newbies will be able to know that a bottle of black dye is actually worth perhaps 3000 gold.

DrSLUGFly · Jun 30, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

I think that it's not a problem (I've done it one time by snatching up an offer and not soliciting) but if they don't change the amount of drops, it would be kind of cool to see dye traders pre-searing. I doubt it will happen though.

AGTyson2Tone · Jun 30, 2005, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Why not eliminate dye-drops in pre-searing ?

DrSLUGFly · Jun 30, 2005, 08:33 AM // 08:33

GGGAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! Herecy!!!! Isn't it bad enough that there are no expert salvage kits or bags pre-searing? Dyes are great!

Killion · Jun 30, 2005, 11:41 AM // 11:41

I've never had a purple drop in Pre-searing, so.. expert kits are useless anyway.
I'd rather see a Storage, but everyone would go into the Academy loaded with mass items.

Rayea · Jun 30, 2005, 11:55 AM // 11:55

a small storeage with a cash limit of 10k would be great in pre, and certainly help some of us pack-rats ^^

i have had purple drop at least 6 times in Pre,with blue and green as the next, and silver also, but i dont get much red or orange....
yeah, tis a bit anoying to hear someone cheating newbies outa their black drops, but then to make things better, a dye trader and set prices would work wonders...but then, how are we gona know that theres too many peeps with more cash than sence if theres no 5k black dye trigger :P

oooh, u mean a Purple! ah...*doh! smacks head*

Crom The Grim · Jun 30, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00

hmm i don't recall seeing requests for buying dyes in pre but i was also not really listening to what people where shoating out.. a also didn't know you can get black in pre i came across purple and silver thats about it thou.. it is a shame thou since i am new to the game and mmorpg.. and i would hve been pretty made to have been scammed

Ristaron · Jun 30, 2005, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Dye farming has become so difficult of late. In the early game/betas when we were constantly getting new players, I always had a character in presearing to dye farm. People who still do it are lame, it's way too much effort.
My first and second characters had 10k to throw around just off the dyes I had stocked up in presearing. My characters after that (which were made a little later) had way too hard of a time dye farming.

Putting in a dye trader would elliminate almost all dye-farming, but then the assholes desperate enough to continue will have to go to post and piss me off.

robmdq · Jun 30, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

a dye trader in pre-searing would be a full stop to those unscrupulpus ppl taking advantage of and exploiting the newbies.
I suggested that to GW myself, now the time will tell us if they do somethng about it or will just allow ppl to keep exploiting ppl.

Orderless · Jun 30, 2005, 04:27 PM // 16:27

exploiting? give me a break. When I was in presearing I sold my dye to the trader for a dollar. Mb I should petition the GW staff to reimburse me? How does that sound.......by my calculations they would owe me nearly 4k.

Look here is the bottom line for you. There is a button marked "accept" if everything looks good to both parties they both press "accept". So you then find out later you could have sold it for 1k more, so what. You want a refund? You want your dye back?

Look the people you are talking about could have easily looked into NUMEROUS sites to get a idea of values. However, they took what was fair for them and didnt spend a hour of their time searching values. dig. Not everybody cares to dig through the forums and thus get whats offered to them.........then the see they could have held out for more and call foul......im sick of it. It is what it is and the game will go on. Its not like someone hacked your account and took the dye. You SOLD IT.

Dreamsmith · Jun 30, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

This strikes me as a very bad idea. Characters in KoA have less money than players in general. If they can't obtain dyes more cheaply there, they pretty much are locked out of dye trading. Selling, they could do, but they can't afford to buy anything if they have to compete in prices with post-Academy players. They don't have as much gold to throw around. It would be disasterous for them to have to compete in the same market. If they put a dye trader in KoA, to make it fair, they'd need to have it operate seperately from the dye traders elsewhere. If they did this, the prices at this trader would be much lower. Which is exactly the current situation: sell your dyes in KoA and you get less for them. So you replace "unscrupulous" traders with a dye trader that doesn't offer any more money for the same item. This is an improvement? It's the same situation, just computer automated.

The problem is not unscrupulous traders, the "problem" is that some people would like some gold right now. The only real "solution" to this is either (a) prevent people from trading in KoA, forcing them to wait to sell things whether they want to or not in some absurd "concern" for their welfare, or (b) allow people do buy and sell as they wish, and stop getting upset about the fact that some people engage in trades that you wouldn't.

Rayea · Jun 30, 2005, 07:51 PM // 19:51

hey, some of us look for dyes in pre sear, cause we like pre sear and are trying to get enough of one shade to dye 2 sets of clothes to match :P

not to mension, its cheaper to hunt than to buy dye. some folks still shout that they want to buy or sell dye, but pity the poor sap that want black, casue unless they get a rdop of it, they will not get black clothes till post.

unless there is a realy valid, in game,not gold-sink reason for dyes to be worth more cause its popular shade, i say fix the dye prices...150 is good for the main shades, with 300 for silver *cause it needs silver ore ground into it to make it not be grey* and 500 is good for black *again, cause it need special ingredients* and another thing...we need WHITE!
ok, does anyone realise how expensive the deep colors we wear today were back in the days befor chemicals?
royal blue and royal purple werent just named that cause only kings and queens were alowed to wear them, it was only they could AFFORD them lol. it used to take 1 tiny little snail getting squished in its shell to get even a single tiny drop of the purple dye.
however, we didnt have magic, and guild wars does, so i say that compensates for the chemicals stuff with Alchemy.

and i still want white, and if dyes get price fixed, then everyone can afford them and more colorfull the getter, with pre searing guilds being able to not only have their fine colored capes *will ignore that their little things in order to get point across* but will be able to afford to cutomise their guilds armour colors to match the guilds colors! black is still a very popular shade in capes too, since its no extra for black in the cape ^^

Rhunex · Jun 30, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

This isn't a problem. The people who go to pre searing to buy dye, and then go post to sell them are wasting their own time. Per black dye...you get what...3k-4k gold? That's not enough to live off of because most people selling black dyes, aren't filling the streets in Pre-searing. Also, if you added in the dye trader for pre-searing, then people wouldn't go post. They'd get a level 16 in pre, and get as much dye as possible, go to town, sell it all and go back to hunting.

Rayea · Jun 30, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

only if dyes sell for more than they buy for ^^
if it *always* cost the same for the dye, no matter when you buy it, theres no need to horde, unless you had a large cash input in pre, then wanted to save dyes for later armours in post.

so, if i bought a 150gp blue dye in Pre, and went to Post, i would still get only 75gp back for it, whether i tried selling it to the dye trader in Pre or in Post.
and the 1 gp you get in merchants stores is normal i guess, cause the merchant dosent know about dyes...its like finding a Wade figureen in a seccond hand store for 50p...if the shop has an expert, it will ether go back and be logged, checked and sold on e-bay ^^ or it will get bought for 50p and the guy wont be back again :P

i just think that dyesshould have a fixed selling and buying price, and they should be available to buy in both Pre and Post.
but then, i like to mix dyes, so that would help me, specially as you get one dye from mixing 2....strange magical dyes, that dont use the laws of physics and stay the same amount after mixing >.<

Numa Pompilius · Jun 30, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02

As the noobs don't know they've been had until after they've gone over to post-searing, they've not really been had?

If you guys got had for 3000 gold you all would be happy with that, provided it took you a day to discover it, right?
Yeah, right.

And noobs don't need gold? Not in pre-searing, no. But they do the second they pass over to post-searing and need to buy armor.
One might as well argue that you guys have enough cash that you can buy dye in post searing and don't need to prey on noobs.

If anything the replies in this thread shows just how much a dye trader is needed in Ascalon.

Raumoheru · Jun 30, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

i think all of pre-searing is one big scam now. i said "WTB A Nice Bow" and a guy said he would sell me a 8-11 bow...for 200 gold. its rather sad really.

johnnylange · Jun 30, 2005, 11:04 PM // 23:04

The market value of black dyes would be too steep for most of the players in pre-searing, so I suppose from the scaming aspect it could help, but then again there are many who don't even know how to identify items...

Rayea · Jul 01, 2005, 09:06 AM // 09:06

in which case, let them know ^^ thats what i do, when i wanna take a break from killing and dieing ect in Post. i take my Pre char out for a spin, wander between the town and the camps and listen to the newbies asking for info. then i often whisper them, and usually get a 'thanks! ' back from them.

i mean, come on, we were all new once. all it takes is a little info sometimes to get someone started off on the road to being a good player

and yeah, if i had been scammed, i would still be mad, and if i saw the guy again, would probably watch him like a hawk, case i saw him doing it to others. maybe leave him till last to rez if he was in my group^^ (ok, im a bit nasty sometimes, but meh, so are we all on a bad day)
its not so bad if the scammer is in a guild that you know you can get something sorted out with...like the time i was scammed for 2k gold for a dagger-m in soma, and i told their guild leader and he paid me back, took the fake dagger-m (which was supposed to alow magic casting without staff or hands free) and gave the kid what for ^^
mind you, theres soo many guilds, and you only get the (xxx) info on a char with their name...maybe we need a guild listing board in the towns, with the guuilds names and the leaders name with a tick or an x in the colomb to say online or offline....

EternalTempest · Jul 03, 2005, 08:53 AM // 08:53

If they put in a dye trader in pre, it was cause a huge influx of gold going in to pre and inflat the price of everything unless it was limited to the local pre economy.

As it stand now, I find it very difficult to build large amounts of money in pre. Everything is cheaper by far. Also why would you dye your starter armor or the Armor version 1.5 from the collectors.

It would solve any issues with scamming new players out of black dye but to prevent a pre the dye trader to pre only would still keep the prices much lower then post and then it could be purchased and when over to post sell for a quick turn around profit.

To be honest, removing dye completely from pre makes more sense if you are going that far to stop scamming new players.

gabby2600 · Jul 05, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

OK for anyone selling black dyes in pre Searing a few of us reputable Dye Traders wold like to say.

Come to us we buy black at 3000gp, Char name; Fayth Harpie, usually in dist 1 of Ascalon City.

We buy them for our guild so we don't sell them on so you can be sure were not makeing a profit from you.